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palomino
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In your opinion, can we say that Communism (the Soviet-era) was as bad as Nazism?

I think that we can. Both regimes killed millions of people for who they were or for their beliefs.
The Nazis exterminated gays, insane people and national minorities; the Soviet NKVD (the secret service) killed their own soldiers during the war (rifle brigades that walked behind the lines of Soviet soldier and shot the soldiers if they didn't go fast enough or turned back).
The Nazis and the Soviets divided Poland (and the rest of Europe). But for the conflict between they would most likely be fighting together against the Brits, the French, the Americans.

Great-grandparents were executed in the USSR. Polish, teachers.
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21.06.13 08:49:52 pm
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Yates
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Wait, since when is Nazism bad?
21.06.13 08:52:05 pm
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palomino
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@user Yates: Shush.
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21.06.13 08:52:48 pm
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nigga pls

Nazi's were not bad. I mean, you said it yourself:
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The Nazis exterminated gays, insane people and national minorities

Do this nowadays and you would have solved issues between Christians and gays, saved us shitload of costs to pay for retarded people and Africa would not be starving because there would be no one TO starve.

Get over it, Nazism is great, but to accomplish what they want they must kill people, which is (Yes I'm not full asshole) quite a downer.
21.06.13 09:00:19 pm
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palomino
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@user Yates: Solving the issue between Christians and gays can be achieved in another way, for example educating hard-line Christians/Muslims/whatever that taking religion THAT far is pointless.
But that isn't the point. Point is, are communist crimes = nazi crimes?
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21.06.13 09:03:12 pm
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Yates
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@user palomino: No because communist crimes = communist crimes, nazi crimes = nazi crimes.

Stop trying to confuse math.
21.06.13 09:08:03 pm
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palomino
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@user Yates: The extent to which communist crimes were bad for the humanity = the extent to which nazi crimes were bad for humanity?
I know you're just fooling around, but at least it's bumping the thread.
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21.06.13 09:09:38 pm
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As much as they're terrible systems that commit horrible crimes, at least the people that are under them have/had some sort of integrity.
21.06.13 09:30:53 pm
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educating hard-line Christians/Muslims


Not possible, many have tried. All have failed.
21.06.13 09:32:43 pm
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Communism is better than Nazism. Why? Because Nazism always leads to violence while communism could work without it.
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21.06.13 09:35:41 pm
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palomino
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@user ohaz: It could only theoretically. Big government leads to violence and corruption, just like the Soviet Union.
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21.06.13 09:36:35 pm
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Communism (the Soviet-era)

But the soviets weren't communists. They were socialists. Thats something different!
21.06.13 09:41:20 pm
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I wouldn't say it was "as bad as" but rather "worse than"

I watched a movie with live footages on what was happening in Soviet Union and Germany as well as politics, high-ranking officer talks etc etc. I don't know if the movie was made to show the worse points of Soviet Union and at first I was quite sceptical about everything and rated both sides without bias but the movie did have some effect on me and for the next month if there would be a talk about Soviet Union, I'd mind that it was worse than Germany. I could have been controlled by the media but now I'm back to ignoring such matters since past is past (no matter what it was or how interesting it is). The movie was called if I would translate it from my language as "Soviet Tale" so I guess it's "Soviet Story"

Edit : WestBeam does have a point o.O
Edit : Doesn't matter who they SAID they were, matter what they were actually.
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21.06.13 09:41:25 pm
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palomino
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@user Westbeam: They had the goal to become Communist and they positioned themselves as Communists.
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21.06.13 11:03:01 pm
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Communism want to make all people at same level.

Nazism want to kill (or make a slave) all races exept for choosen one.

Guess what better.
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22.06.13 12:07:10 am
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user Yates has written:
Wait, since when is Nazism bad?

user Yates has written:
nigga pls

Nazi's were not bad. I mean, you said it yourself:
user palomino has written:
The Nazis exterminated gays, insane people and national minorities

Do this nowadays and you would have solved issues between Christians and gays, saved us shitload of costs to pay for retarded people and Africa would not be starving because there would be no one TO starve.

Get over it, Nazism is great, but to accomplish what they want they must kill people, which is (Yes I'm not full asshole) quite a downer.

I like you already.
22.06.13 12:29:27 am
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Both regimes killed millions of people

"Democracy" still does.

In other words: No one cares until nobody knows.
22.06.13 12:36:18 am
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Wait, since when is Nazism bad?
22.06.13 12:59:47 am
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While socialism might seem like a very good model for a country, it is obvious that both Nazism and soviet communism were terrible regimes.

Nazism might have had impressive economic achievements, but their twisted idea and implementation of eugenics (which is already quite debatable by itself), their aspirations of territorial expansion and the brainwashing of their people easily make it one of the worst democratic regimes I can think of.

Soviet communism might have had some interesting social and economic development, however, the way they closed themselves to the rest of the world threw that away, not to mention their governors were terrible (Stalin)

In the end I don't think we could compare Nazism and soviet communism since both Germany and the Soviet Union were going through some rather unique circumstances.

Of course, China and Cuba are examples of sustainable socialism. However, I also think that they can't be compared for the same reasons.
22.06.13 03:09:29 am
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Jawohl
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You guys are stupid nazis believed ALL blacks, asians, hispanicd, reds,
Gays, lesbians, and EVERY other religion should. Be exterminated.
they would kill anyone that isnt them, they are if evil if anything .. not as bad my ass thier evil.... for sure.
Why else to think hitler targeted jews? Because they wernt like him.
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