English Simonas banning Shada

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05.05.16 10:31:43 pm
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KDMRL
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Hello.

My friend called Shada with us 17313 was banned by Simonas without any reason. They were both playing on PCS server with DD2 map. Shada was way, way, way better than Simonas and He said that He's gonna ban him, because He thinks Shada was cheating. He did it without any real proof.
What has shada done to get such a nice ban? He scanned him. Like twice. Simonas died due to a scan, got mad, cried and banned an innocent guy.

For guys that's only CS2D experience in last couple of years was playing funmodes, I'm gonna explain what SCAN is. Over the years, gamestyle in PRO SCENE was shifting, changing, getting it's own unique style. One of the results were scans. First people who started to scanning in 2D in the PRO scene were Polish players like Milriko, Meche, Introgen, *Adam Sniper*, COLD, Twierdza, Ping Of Death, I can carry on and name like 100 players that were one of the best players in CS2D history. Mind the fact that Shada is from poland. He's an old, experienced player. He was a member of one the best clans in CS2D history over last 5-6 years.

Each map has a great amount of spots that are very good for scanning. DD2 one of the most popular scanning spots are on middle. You can literally shoot in one corner of the tile with your pointer and probably, if your opponent is bad, will die. It's NOT A CHEAT. It's just experiences.

PCS Project uses MOSS as it's anti-cheat. Sure It's not best, but It's best We've got. Shada has been playing a lot of matches with MOSS for the past couple of years and his every moss was clean. He was never accused of cheating, because there's a lot of better players.

I can only imagine if Simonas encountered Milriko, Edi, Lord, or any other extremely good player. Would he ban them as well? Without any evidences? I think not. However, I can asure you that theres more than 20/30 players better than Shada.

It shouldn't be Shada problem that guy with usgn 5XXX, that has been playing this game for years, moves like a bot and has no intelligence in his gameplay. If You're experienced player, the only way You get scanned is when the guy who's scanning invented a new scan, that's unknown for you.

I suggest You to unban Shada. He's never been cheating in the past and He sure did not cheat while He was playing against Simonas. Blazing was just a bad player.

Regards, kdmrl.

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There is a reason stated and it's "Hacking" / user Rainoth
05.05.16 10:35:26 pm
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Hajt
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Shada is innocent! I know him a long time (since 2009) and I'm pretty sure that he's not a cheater. He's also competitive player like me and his anti-cheat reports are always "clean". I think that Simonas made a mistake cuz just have a look at logs.
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05.05.16 11:00:37 pm
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I can second almost everything that Kontradmiral and Hajt said. Shada is an experienced player and this scanning has become a new style of gameplay.

I think Simonas could have made a little mistake there, however, there is no big deal, it can happen to everyone.

I think Shada should be unbanned. I advice banning only speedhackers and obvious aimbotters without any clear evidence. It can be very hard to differ between scanning and using radarhack.
05.05.16 11:34:46 pm
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I am pretty sure that's simonas have a good proves for banning that user .
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05.05.16 11:59:58 pm
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@user Thomas Peter: says the guy who were banned and uses another account :x

BTW I know that you're user MaxmyA_TN.
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06.05.16 12:14:43 am
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SlimPT
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Why the mods and dc have permission to ban people from all servers?
Anyway simonas doesn't have proves so he should unban, shada is clean from cs2d scene (pcs project). He just got mad because of a scan and ban him lel .
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06.05.16 12:29:31 am
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Rainoth
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To be honest, if I was getting shot from out of screen and not given explanation apart from "you are noob", I would think that the player is hacking. He didn't even bother to explain like you guys did.

I'm not going to agree or disagree with any of you but keep in mind that user SQ is unlikely to randomly ban people.

If it's some kind of "experienced" player technique, how do you know that a player is currently in the spot where you can hit him (judging by the the fact that the enemy is out of screen) and not somewhere else?

P.S. user KDMRL, you included a lot of unnecessary information that had no argumentative value to it. You may want to revise your posts when you write them.
06.05.16 12:32:19 am
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G3tWr3ck3d
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No unban for you kek using cheats can also deliver your privacy to the hacker so don't cheat kids!!
Mess with the best, die like the rest. ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ
06.05.16 12:35:13 am
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Hajt
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user SlimPT has written:
Why the mods and dc have permission to ban people from all servers?
Anyway simonas doesn't have proves so he should unban, shada is clean from cs2d scene (pcs project). He just got mad because of a scan and ban him lel .

It's actually nice that they have permissions to ban people from all servers, of course in my opinion. Moderators just should do it with greater care.

Besides, shada were banned yesterday around 15:30. First hack was released 7 hours ago. I hope you know what I mean.
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06.05.16 12:58:25 am
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This is what happends when moderators have not experienced what it is like playing with any skilled players. If you have ever played even mix (something competetive yet not the hardest thing ever) then you'd know what scanning is and how it Works and that you don't really need to see someone to hit them a lot. Plus sound.
06.05.16 02:06:09 am
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user Hajt has written:
user SlimPT has written:
Why the mods and dc have permission to ban people from all servers?
Anyway simonas doesn't have proves so he should unban, shada is clean from cs2d scene (pcs project). He just got mad because of a scan and ban him lel .

It's actually nice that they have permissions to ban people from all servers, of course in my opinion. Moderators just should do it with greater care.

Besides, shada were banned yesterday around 15:30. First hack was released 7 hours ago. I hope you know what I mean.


I mean why they ban innocent people (for example shada in this case) who got outplayed by a normal competitive player with a scan? Seriously, doesn't make any sense not knowing the basics of cs2d and still free ban people.

user Rainoth has written:
If it's some kind of "experienced" player technique, how do you know that a player is currently in the spot where you can hit him (judging by the the fact that the enemy is out of screen) and not somewhere else?


Never heard about timings?
When you play much time on a certain map you know where the enemys gonna be placed, also praticing scans (add bots on a empty map) is good to memorize some usual scans.
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06.05.16 02:08:17 am
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The problem here is not the inexperience of the moderator who played but lack of explanation from the player acussed of hacking. Check those logs. That's classic hacker speech. I've seen it about 30 times when I used to play CS2D. Now that it's explained here, I understand that it could have been like that, but it's still not as "heavy" as getting explained the same thing the moment it happens.

Ultimately, I think user SQ himself should re-evaluate whether the player was at fault or not. These things are rare and they happen but I don't believe making a thread is needed. I'd start with a private message.

//@user SlimPT: It's impossible to have 100% prediction rate on opponent movement. There's too many variables to this. Player surroundings, reaction and behavior all feed into the result of his gameplay. A player isn't a bot who will always walk the same path at same pace with same mechanics. Scan or do whatever you want, it's not possible to predict player position 100% of the time. Even something as reliable as sound can't help you reach that.

/// Again, if I saw a player behaving like that, I would assume he's hacking and I would point that out. A player who replies "you are noob" instead of even trying to explain basically means that there's no way to explain how you killed me apart from "Hacking". Even if user SQ is wrong, user HoCk didn't reason with him which makes the suspicion even stronger. Just read the log user Hajt posted, it would be obvious for anyone.
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06.05.16 02:30:04 am
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user Rainoth has written:
The problem here is not the inexperience of the moderator who played but lack of explanation from the player acussed of hacking. Check those logs. That's classic hacker speech.


Hacker =/ Cheater learn the diference


user Rainoth has written:
It's impossible to have 100% prediction rate on opponent movement. There's too many variables to this. Player surroundings, reaction and behavior all feed into the result of his gameplay. A player isn't a bot who will always walk the same path at same pace with same mechanics. Scan or do whatever you want, it's not possible to predict player position 100% of the time. Even something as reliable as sound can't help you reach that.


Again why you talk things you don't know? Prefire a place is a normal thing unless is something obvious or bizarre.
You're a casual player and I bet 100% you didn't play a competitive cs2d mix for your life so please stop add arguments. I invite you to come our mix servers (password: match) to see how it works then you can talk again.

user Rainoth has written:
Again, if I saw a player behaving like that, I would assume he's hacking and I would point that out. A player who replies "you are noob" instead of even trying to explain basically means that there's no way to explain how you killed me apart from "Hacking".


Are you expecting in a mid of a pub or a mix someone explain how he did a scan? Mabye you should visit cs2d.net to get that information, mabye I'll publish a book "how to play cs2d for dummies" .
I'm done for now lmao.
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06.05.16 02:35:09 am
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oooh scaaaninnng. you shoot a guy who is far away

It's not easy to call out a long range cheater though, unless you move randomly to all directions and a single guy aims at you perfectly from afar, several rounds in a row.

Anything else is just a wild guess and not enough to ban someone for cheating.
06.05.16 03:01:10 am
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Rainoth
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@user SlimPT: For one, I am well aware of the difference between hackers and teachers and yet you'll see CS2D players using both terms. "Learn the" cs2d speech?

Secondly, what I stated was factual. It wasn't my opinion. That's how the world (including games) works. You can't argue that. Yet I get the response aimed at MY skill in a game, which has nothing to do with what I stated. I then get called out to go play cause somehow me playing would negate the factual information I stated? Please.

Finally, I see your point about not explaining in-game techniques but if you knew I was a moderator and I accused you of hacking, would you simply call me a noob and say that you'll report me cause you have my usgn ID? Of course not.
What I'm saying by this (since you seem to be too gung ho about the fact that certain people don't know certain mechanics) is that regardless of who was at fault (Blazingxx or Shada), denying accusations that way (and I'm repeating this yet again) only makes suspicion higher and actually justifies the actions that were taken.

You seem to be rather passive-agressive in your post, which kinda proves my point about being unreasonable (or in his case not reasoning at all).

I'm afraid my character can't stop responding to things I disagree with but I'll yet again attempt to close the discussion by saying that user SQ should see (& reply) himself.
06.05.16 03:04:30 am
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user KDMRL has written:
Simonas died due to a scan, got mad, cried
Honestly, thats a bullshit statement ever. You got a log for that?

geez...calm down and making a big deal about it..seriously, @user KDMRL: could've Msg him about it and talked about it..
Well..I'll be damn..calling another user a 'casual player'
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06.05.16 04:04:56 am
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@user Rainoth: I understand that Shada calling him a noob instead of explaining the entire proces of his gameplay could have been suspicious. On the contrary, I don't understand why a well-known and respected moderator like Simonas made the call based on like getting scanned two times. The thing is that I know Shada for a long time as well. I have been in one clan with him couple years ago. His temper is really agressive. When someone's accusing him of cheating, He's not going to cry like a baby, giving tons of arguments against it. He will laugh at it and probably insult (from nobs) the person who accused him. It's a bad behaviour, I can agree on that, but He has been always like that since 2010. You are also asking me/us why Shada vel Hock isn't responding to this topic. There's a pretty good reason for that, his english skills and behaviour could have made that even worse.

You also typed that "if shada knew that blazing was a us.de moderator, why would he call him a noob?", the thing is He didn't. Belive me, not everyone knows who's moderator at us.de. People just don't care. For example, If I had seen your nick in-game before this discussion have happend, I wouldn't know at all that you're a us.de moderator. Threating people with "usgn bans" is pretty common among players that are not good enough to compete with pro players. Once again, people simply stopped carring for that at all.

I can see that Slim calling you as a casual player is frustrating for you, but be honest. When was the last time that You actually played this game not casualy, but a mix (It's basically 5 versus 5 with MR.15 system on a normal map like de_nuke, de_dust2, de_tuscanpod, de_thordpod, de_cpl_mill etc)? To have any knowledge about how actual pro scene's gameplay looks like, You actually need some experiences in that. Playing this game even for the last 6 years, but only in funmodes and one time per year on a normal server do not give you a needed experience to judge pro players. I can asure you that You would call cheaters half of a mix during some.

PCS Project (if you ever heard of that) need a lot of evidences to ban someone for cheating. I mean, It has be solid proof. Video that's showing exactly that Your moves are aimbot or corrupted/bad MOSS report. Everything else is not enough to blacklist someone. Mind this fact, before replying once again, that's something unreasonable for you.

I also don't understand how Slim being a bit agressive in his posts means that's unreasonable. I might get that admiting to be wrong among US.DE staff is something bad, but come on guys. You literally banned an innocent guy based on like 3 rounds and the fact that He called Blazing a noob. How is it reasonable for you?

One more thing, I might sound a bit agressiv as well, but I had occasion to play against Simonas. He literally moves like a bot. He has completely no sense of this game. His skill might be good enough for servers like Jail or HCfun, but when It comes to normal aiming, timings, scans, thinking where Your opponent could go - He's just bad. That's the fact lol. I talked with several people and each of them had a pleasure to play with Simonas on a regular server. They just confirmed what I typed you about simonas gameplay. In my opinion player with low/average skills in this game, isn't capable of calling someone a cheater and banning him basing the entire situation on a hunch.

@user Sparty: No, I don't have logs for that. However, that's pretty much what happend. Who else judge player by 3 rounds and wants to ban him? Calm person that know his job would never do that.

It's not making a big deal. You're trying to defend your friend. I get that, but He made a mistake and He should eiter explain himself with a really strong argumentation or admit to be wrong and unban Shada.

The thing is that Hajt msg him about that and there was no response, that's why We decided to made this topic.

I think that calling other person a 'casual person' is reasonable in this situation. You rate your skills based on how high in rank you are on your server. Pro player rank their skills based on how high score they are capable of do in one mix or how many tournaments they won. There's a slight difference in that.

Just to be clear, I am not saying that 'casual players' are bad or anthing like that. I just might suggest that some players that focued their entire time they've spent in this game for 'proffesional gaming' are a bit better. If It's a sensitive subject here and You don't like to be called "casual players", come to our mix and find out how much of a pro player you are.

@user Rainoth: To sum up my long post, if you see anything else as unreasonable, just type, I will try to answer you with something reasonable.
06.05.16 04:44:27 am
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You seem to be rather passive-agressive in your post

most pro scene whores are obnoxious and semi-retarded..
but i have to side with them in this one because i have seen some insanely skilled players back in the day, i remember someone called Sexsetz who joined NoPain for a while, everyone thought he was cheating, we would play 6 vs 1 and he still owned the whole team with usp and we weren't that bad we were average few were skilled, but let's hear what simonas has to say about this.

@user KDMRL: kimkat, is that you?
06.05.16 06:44:08 am
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Honestly, I'm not such kind of a guy who's into the realm of competitive scene but I guess we should rather wait Simonas' response about this event occured. Even though it was suspicious or not, he could first inspect that guy named Shada first instead of banning him instantly so you can be sure if he's truly a competitive player or if he's just a cheater.

At the moment, since I didn't witness this situation I cannot judge this scenario. Could talk to Simonas about this, although I'm deeply knocked out by my own activities thus I'm pretty much busy with that.
06.05.16 06:53:52 am
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user Ahmad has written:
user Rainoth has written:
You seem to be rather passive-agressive in your post

most pro scene whores are obnoxious and semi-retarded..
but i have to side with them in this one because i have seen some insanely skilled players back in the day, i remember someone called Sexsetz who joined NoPain for a while, everyone thought he was cheating, we would play 6 vs 1 and he still owned the whole team with usp and we weren't that bad we were average few were skilled, but let's hear what simonas has to say about this.

@user KDMRL: kimkat, is that you?

Hey. A guy called Sexsetz and his team NoPain never participated in any tournament bah no one from NoPain plays on the mix server. That's all.

KimKat = KDMRL? Seriously? No.
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