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17.12.16 03:26:05 pm
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Weegee
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I double @user Masea's post. This kind of threads always lead to the religious side turning mad at everyone who does not believe, and leading to an endless fight because each side will still believe in creation or evolution regardless of what is said by you, me or anyone else.
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17.12.16 03:32:25 pm
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@user Masea, user Weegee: I don't see how that's wrong. If a person A has one opinion and person B has another opinion, they'll obviously try to prove that they're right. That's what discussions are for. Even if your opinion doesn't change immediatelly, presented enough facts, it can change, therefore the thread won't be closed until I see flame &/ spam. So don't bring it to that point, guys.
17.12.16 04:14:40 pm
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So let me illumate people who are trying to make other guys believe on his faith. What are you doing is really bad idea and actually for naught. Just let them believe on whatever they want and see your way. Otherwise, it will be only time wasting as everyone sees.
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17.12.16 04:18:57 pm
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user Leiche has written:
Atheism is not a religion, Atheism is a rejection of religious beliefs.


What Buddhism is then? Buddhism is an atheist religion. It's the belief that meditation and good living can break the cycle of reincarnation and result in enlightenment. I said atheist religion because it dosen't have any god. Buddha was an sage that founded Buddhism. And that isn't the definition of a god;

The concept of God as described by most theologians includes the attributes of omniscience (infinite knowledge), omnipotence (unlimited power), omnipresence (present everywhere), divine simplicity, and as having an eternal and necessary existence.

user ohaz has written:
Dude. The bible was written a few thousand years ago, was poorly translated and has been passed on by speech only for hundreds of years before that. Language didn't even have that many words back then. Of course there are going to be some mistakes in it. Where's the problem? Nobody cares about some single sentences - the important part about religion is the big picture behind it (in case of Christianity it's Altruism and Charity.


But you can be altruistic, generous have goodwill if you belive in evolution. The thing is that most people who belive in creation are religious and who dosen't aren't.

I, myself, am agnostic, but I'd happily convert to absolutely any kind of religion if good evidence is brought. Not atheists have to prove theists god dosen't exist, it's vice-versa.
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17.12.16 04:28:42 pm
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@user Rainoth: In my little experience on threads like this, even if A or B has facts to prove they are right, A or B won't change their minds because they believe in what they want, and nothing we say will make them change their opinion. This is more notable on the religion side. So that makes the discussion useless as the objetive is to prove that they are right. Example: the science side has most proofs so for now the science side is right, but the religious side will not just back off and try to blast the science away, even though the religion is wrong and will never win against the science with false facts.

Please note that this is just an example and its not the reality or my opinion about creation or evolution so dont start to think that im on the science nor the religion side.
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17.12.16 05:00:41 pm
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@user Vladimir Putin: i think i know, what he means with "micro-evolution". most creatures(or all idk) adapt with the environment, like people who live in colder regions are far more comfortable with the cold weather instead of people who live in warm regions(not all of them, but most of em).

@user Yates: how should we even evolve from a fish to a human being. thats just completly impossible, even after billion of years. did u even look at the human body? even after thousands years, we still dont understand how we completly work. everything in our body is so complex.

but nvm, as u said, this should be closed.
17.12.16 05:13:02 pm
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@user Pehlivan: Actually, life was originated when our planet was completely covered with water so something from the ocean may have evolved into a monkey and then (to the world's disgrace ), humans came.
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17.12.16 05:22:27 pm
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@user Pehlivan: So because we don't fully understand how our body works after thousands of years you are disregarding the possibility of evolution on a large scale over billions of years?

That's some neat logic right there. 1+1=5 for you isn't it?

Seriously though, these two things don't even connect the slightest.
17.12.16 07:27:41 pm
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Pehlivan
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ye retarded logic what i really mean is like sth. so complex, like our bodies, couldnt just evolve from a smaller organisim to what we are now.
17.12.16 07:56:28 pm
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Yates
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@user Pehlivan: Why not?

It can take a single kind of bacteria to spread meters in a few weeks and along the way more kind of bacteria are created from it.

There is actually a video on a similar test with bacteria somewhere, if I can find it, I'll post it here.

Hey look I found it within seconds:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/harvard-scientists-reveal-timelapse-footage-8816165

My point being, if bacteria can do that in what for us seems a small period, what can happen over a billion years is unimagineable!
17.12.16 10:38:18 pm
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user Pehlivan has written:
ye retarded logic what i really mean is like sth. so complex, like our bodies, couldnt just evolve from a smaller organisim to what we are now.


i just want to use this as an example
'Sperm' what is it?
where has each generation come from?

if humans can come from a single sperm cell; humans can certainly have come from a single bacteria cell over billions of years.

but of course, sperm doesn't exist does it?
18.12.16 04:37:19 pm
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@user Pagyra: That's where you're going to stop. Your post if off-topic and can offend groups of people. BIG groups of people. I'll allow you to edit your post to something meaningful or to ask me to delete it but if not, I'll be temporary banning you for breaking rules.
18.12.16 04:56:32 pm
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Vladimir Putin
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I wouldn't call religion bad, the culture of many nations is based on religion.
Albert Einstein has written:
Science without religion is lame and religion without science is blind.
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18.12.16 05:21:26 pm
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Pagyra
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All religions were originally invented / created to something very simple to explain to everyone who is ignorant, in order to equalize different layers of population, to replace the word "unknown" and to answer at some any questions that a part is given every person studying the world, to create simple rules of conduct, ethics and morality.

In other words, it is self-deception for peoples, ...nothing...trash.

So in this thread it is not offtopic.
18.12.16 05:35:03 pm
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Vladimir Putin
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I am surprised you don't bash atheism as a Russian, since Russia was very much better under Christian regimes than atheist ones. The atheist regimes had a death toll of 50+ million people.
18.12.16 05:45:39 pm
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user Vladimir Putin has written:
The atheist regimes had a death toll of 50+ million people.




srsly

pls

close this
18.12.16 08:40:51 pm
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Jawohl
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honestly
@user Pagyra:
is right; iv no intention to flame on anyone, or use any spite on them; but as far as we are aware with all modern sciences; non of the religions we know today (if any) could possibly exist due to them being completely contradicted by modern sciences.

being agnostic; il be certain to pick a side had it had a logical background (but sadly they dont.)
While the idea of a bigbang is still as logic-less as a god existing; one will have had to exist for one to exist.... so... the start of the universe is a contradiction in its own right.

long story short; unfortunately the bible, kuran, torah, and modern adaptable religious texts alike are fictional (as much as i hate to admit it.)

they follow the lives of some; but they use the complete and utter fiction in others. (frankly its 95% the latter)
18.12.16 09:57:44 pm
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Vladimir Putin
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How does modern science contradict with a deity?
The enormous complexity of the physical world is a strong argument for a creator. Even Einstein realized this.
Even if you don't believe in a religion, you can still believe in a God. Pantheism or deism are reasonable.
18.12.16 11:33:49 pm
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@user Vladimir Putin:
did you not read what i just wrote?
modern sciences contradict religion due to it proving all forbearing "history" in the books as false; there was no adam and eve, no garden of eden; the world has always been as harsh as it has always been.
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