English New Bot System - Testing Version Released

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27.07.17 02:29:00 pm
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Ortimh
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@user Masea: Oh c'mon. Let's say that your parents are demanding you to get higher marks on school, but your project halts you from that, what would you do? One more year until graduation, so it's not like "tricking each other so I can get away from my responsibility". But what would you do if I consider this as completed project and ready for use (except no .spots file for the maps)?
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28.07.17 01:47:18 am
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@user Masea: Can you read ? I just said that bots need an upgrade considering their underwhelming performance and undeveloped skills. Is it that hard to find how it is related with what you said ?

Also, players DO play with bots and it isn't only at the start. Lots of servers also use them to attract and entertain players when they're empty, I've did this in one of my previous servers and I can safely say that lots of players enjoyed playing with the custom smarter bots it ran.
28.07.17 12:42:40 pm
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user Ortimh has written:
@user Masea: Let's say that your parents are demanding you to get higher marks on school, but your project halts you from that, what would you do?
I would proceed to my project, I basically don't care the school or any diploma. And it'll cause nothing at all. That's me.

So you tellin' me, you'll finish this someday? If it be so.

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Lots of servers also use them to attract and entertain players when they're empty
They better do something else since that mind is entirely not working. You can see that in the server list.

I mean, we should rather waste our time on other mods instead of improving the bots. This actually will be the thing that would attract new players.

And, the last and the most important thing: No one would play with bots if there's enough of players.
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28.07.17 04:51:47 pm
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They better do something else since that mind is entirely not working. You can see that in the server list.
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I've did this in one of my previous servers and I can safely say that lots of players enjoyed playing with the custom smarter bots it ran


Even when I used to host it at home, the server would be able to reach around 16-24 active players. This would not happen without the bots headstart it had.

Listen, I get your point but, packing tons of new and cool features over regular the CS frenchise and having the bots not able to use them does not make much sense to me. And also, as I said before, bots are really dumb right now, IMO, it should at least be minimally fun to play with them. You even made a solid point on how they could also be used in competitive gamemodes.
28.07.17 05:41:09 pm
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Even when I used to host it at home, the server would be able to reach around 16-24 active players. This would not happen without the bots headstart it had.

Go ahead. We need a server as this. I'd like to try, so would many people as you said.

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it should at least be minimally fun to play with them.
Of course they should but people whose age over 10 will never get fun from playing bots. Either even if they're talking with us, or playing better than pro players. Because we'll know that they are just a bot.

Look, I'm not saying that guy should leave this project. I'm saying that it is not a big deal actually. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know. Maybe because I didn't see any lack of bots so far. Except for those mods where bots needed to be re-coded like yours over again. They're dumb, okay - but nobody plays with them anyway. See the server list, please:
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They shouldn't be that dumb, yeah. But if you thinking that would make the game more popular - actually, you're wrong.
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28.07.17 08:10:13 pm
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@user Masea: Never said that it would make the game more popular, I said that they should be improved.

About my servers, if you think that I'm lying, fine. All I know is that its bots were able to entertain most players while waiting for other players to arrive and it did its job pretty damn f*cking well.
28.07.17 08:52:25 pm
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@user Masea: Never said that it would make the game more popular, I said that they should be improved.
So why are we improving bots? If nobody plays with them?

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About my servers, if you think that I'm lying, fine. All I know is that its bots were able to entertain most players while waiting for other players to arrive and it did its job pretty damn f*cking well.
It did but doesn't now. That's the difference. There are totally 6 servers in the image I sent that do your logic but they're also empty and will be empty forever.

And if we use bots to just use your idea(keeping them to get players on the server), so what is that improving for? If we don't use bots for it so why you gave me that as an example? Or if we really use for that, then when servers are filled, what's the issue? I don't get it.
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28.07.17 09:04:44 pm
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@user Masea: Okay I'll stop arguing with you, I don't know why I care anyway, user Ortimh already said that he pretends to finish the script and there's people out there wanting to help.

Also, if you were smart enought, you would've been able to tell that I clearly don't want the bots to be improved only because I cannot properly execute "my idea".

And yeah, you're right, servers like Happy Camper's Fun and KGB2D's Zomvies will be empty forever, especially considering how they've done before CS2D entered this dead state.
28.07.17 09:22:06 pm
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@user Masea:

Well, I like playing with bots - at least when they're running on enhanced logic.

Why? The answer is simple. They just don't complain about shit, nor they randomly start flaming me for no reason. Actually they're a pretty much of an upgrade of most people and invoke my laughter due to sometimes in-logical behavior.

Since every modern multiplayer game is infested with toxic and obviously language-handicapped people who misinterpret the meaning of a "game" I began to only play online games with friends/people I know well.

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So why are we improving bots? If nobody plays with them?

You as developer should know that this may serve educational purpose or he was just in the mood to try implementing some AI logic because he likes it - since he already worked on awesome stuff like this : why shouldn't he share it? Also current AI is pretty shit and definitely needs some improvements.

I noticed that you try to force your will upon other users in this forum very often, while providing a lack of proof arguments. Formally I call people like this assholes.

I wish you all, including you (user Masea) a nice weekend.

Over and out.
28.07.17 10:31:34 pm
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user TimeQuesT has written:
I noticed that you try to force your will upon other users in this forum very often

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other users in this forum very often

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in this forum very often

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very often

Kay.

@user _Yank: True. They'll be empty forever.
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